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DEMON
Pro Rider
Registered: Sep 2001
Location: maple ridge b.c.
Posts: 945
first impressions , lots of neat stuff
well i just got back from a ride at the woodlot in the pissin down rain , while i was there my good buddy and i swapped machine for a portion of the trail ( fast technical rooty/rocky single track ) his machine is a super8 with a 2 day old AVALANCHE , with a BOXXER , shimano discs , and maxxis supertacky tires . let me tell you i was flying on this machine total control at all times , these products sure gave me a new look on some well known products . this was my first time on any of these products and i was ah struck , the super 8 with the AV is beyond words , its travel was consistant the whole way no harshness , just super smooth bottomless suspension ( note to self check into AVALANCHE & SUPER 8,s ), the BOXXER was eye opening ( set-up with 1 soft/1 medium springs) very smooth feeling , very light !!! soaked up every bump and asked for more my only complaint about the fork is the suction sound the fork makes under compression , other than that i would definately consider one at any given time . the shimano disc are very nice feeling and the braking was very compariable to my GUSTAV DH,s , the modulation was very good , and was the lever feel , they impressed me as well .the last and very critical test was the maxxis supertacky tires , they seemed like they were a suction cup design , they did not slip once on the slimy wet roots and rocks , my michelins do not stick like this , looks like my soon to be replaced tires will be these .
till the next ride when my buddy and i are going to swap machines again and run sections and compare the difference and such between to very simliar designs ( cheeta prowler verse super8 , AV verse FOX , and shimano verse magura , etc. etc .etc )
later
DEMON
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The 7.875 x 2.25 shock for my Bighit is unbelievable! Everything everyone
says about your product is 110% true. I can say that 6.3 inches of Avalanche
is way better than 8.1 inches of Fox RC. My friend used to praise how good
his RM7 with a Fox RC felt over my standard 6.3" with a Fox R. But I let him
ride it over the weekend and I could tell he loved the way it felt. You
shock truly transforms the bike.
This Saturday I jumped 12-15ft doubles and landed a bunch to flat. The bike
is so smooth! I don't know how you did it, but you found every inch of
travel on that bike and with the remote compression, I can't feel the
bottom. Then on Sunday I took the same bike and rode a 12 mile XC loop. The
bike was so nice without all the bobbing of the Fox R.
I will get to ride a true DH course next weekend and I know I will love how
it handles the descents.
Thanks again!
H. Doug Ferguson III
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urbanman -18-02, 01:36 PM "Avalanche front and rear race test results" I was in Angel Fire, NM this weekend with my Avalanche equipped Disco for my first race. I am an experienced rider so I decided to enter Junior X. After times were posted I went up to check and I came in first. I beat all other Experts(not Junior) as well as winning my class. The Avalanche smoothed out the roughest sections and the fork held a line well through the rock garden section. Despite some pedaling sections my heavier bike helped me beat all the other experts. I was also using Stan's tubeless system and didn't get a single flat the whole time, even after severely denting my rim on a practice run. Just wanted to let you know how well the Avalanche worked.(and Craig if you read this I wouldn't mind getting a hold of some Avalanche apparel to wear. The poison spider race team was there with Avalanche equipped Canfields along with Lance himself. That was the only other Avalanche I saw at the race. To bad for all the other people riding Fox)
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go-ride.com -01-02, 10:20 PM
"Well..." I have run both and a few other shocks on my Karpiel Armageddon. I run my bike in the 9" travel setting and usually use a 3" stroke shock.
I had the Avalanche first with both a Rebound & Compression adjuster. My Avalanche findings are:
Pros:
1. Very Durable - this is probably the #1 reason to get an Avalanche DHS shock. It is built for abusers and will withstand high leverage bikes.
2. Very Smooth/Plush - it will use a lot of travel and still not bottom hard. I don't know if this is due to the compression damping or the high quality bottom out bumper, or a combination of the two.
3. Good Tracking - to this time it was the best tracking shock I had tested. It really made my rear wheel stick.
4. Good Compression Adjuster - you can actually turn the compression adjuster up for better bottom out resistance without ruining the small bump ability. A Fox will nearly lock-out as you turn up the compression.
Cons:
1. Rebound Adjuster - seemed to do so little that I could never decide were it worked best. Overall the rebound was just a little bit fast for my bike, but I have ridden other Avalanche equipped bikes that were plenty slow.
2. Heavy - 1395 gm (3.1 lb.) with a 450 lb. spring. The Progressive with Ti spring is 1 lb. lighter, but a Ti spring would also save a lot of weight on the Avalanche.
3. More Expensive - the Avalanche DHS RC with steel spring cost me $50 more then a Progressive with Ti spring. A Ti spring for the Avalanche will probably run about $200 - $250.
I have only had the Progressive for a few weeks. Unfortunately Progressive shocks are not available for the consumer market on a Karpiel, but they will be available very shortly for many other bikes. My Progressive findings are:
Pros:
1. Very Adjustable – so far all the small knobs and air chamber do what Progressive claims they will. With all the adjustments I have been able to really dial my bike in for different types of race courses.
2. Great Tracking – I was surprised that the shock actually seems to track better than the Avalanche. It doesn’t feel as good in parking lot tests, but on fast sections of a trail it really keeps the bike steady. I think a lot of this comes from the larger range of rebound adjustment.
3. Light Weight – the shock is on my bike at the moment so I don’t have an exact weight, but when I was installing it I found it to be nearly 1 lb. lighter than my Avalanche.
4. Superior Pedaling – the Progressive really improves the pedaling ability of the Karpiel. This does make the shock rougher on small hits, but only when you really turn up the anti-bob knob a lot.
Cons:
1. Unknown Reliability – I am always skeptical of complex DH products, especially on shocks. It is tough enough for a simple two-way shock to be built reliably. However to date I have had no problems, failures or leaks.
2. Lots to Learn – I have still not mastered all the adjustments on this shock and I like to tinker with setup a lot. For some riders it will be too much to deal with.
3. Small Fit List – at this time there are a lot of bikes that will not fit the Progressive shock. The reservoir is longer than a Fox causing clearance issues on full compression.
As always these are just my personal opinions, but they are based on actual use of the items for a reasonable period of time.
Scott C
go-ride.com
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mtnpsycho -02-02, 04:43 AM "Wow, now thats some real info" now thats a killer review....Just another reason why Go Ride kicks arse.....I have a bit to add...I have a few buddies with both shocks, and have ridden both shocks a bit...in my mind tha Avalanche is a better option for these reasons
1. Stronger-I have never heard of an Avalanche breaking down, and living in New England, where they are made, there are tons of them around...everyone has nothing but praise for them(who own them)..Progressive's, however, have been breaking down quite a bit, both of my buddies who got one this year have had them blow, and leak oil..also at Killington this weekend I saw two of them(on M1's) actually snap the preload spring collar
2. Proven technology- The av is pretty much a moto shock adapted to work on a MTB...some parts inside are the same as on a motorcycle shock, and the shock can be serviced by any motorcycle mechanic(like it will ever need it)...the progressive is new, and subsequently has a bunch of bugs that regardless of what anyone says, are not worked out yet, and must be worked on by Progressive
3. Custom, built for you service...when you buy the av, you get it custom built for you and your riding style..I am sure Progressive could do this too, but its standard with the Av
4. Customer Service- I have heard that both Progressive and Avalanche have very good customer service, no problems there with either company...thing is, Progressive shocks are having alot of problems with seals blowing, spring retainers breaking, and the like, and have been just replacing alot of the customers shocks..this has to hurt the company financially, whereas Avalanche builds you a shock and then you dont have to touch it
5. Ease of setup- The Avalanche comes ready to ride, no adjusting, built for you, whereas the progressive has enough dials and adjustments to confuse a rocket scientist...progressive will tell you this is good so you can fine tune the shock, but who can really figure it out? Simple is better, this is just a rear shock, not a science project(or is it)
6. Weight-Well, its not an advantage with the Avalanche, as it is pretty heavy, but rear dh shocks are one of the most commonly broken items on a dh bike, and I will take an extra pound with the bombproof reliability and peace of mind the Avalanche provides...however if you ride a progressive, you have to keep wondering when its going to break down all of the time
I go to most of the NewEngland races, and some of the nationals, and these opinions are based on whats happening out there, not what some company advertises..people with avalanches seem to be very happy, proud owners, whereas I constantly see people with Progresives having issues....I am not trying to bash Progressive at all, but to me reliability is the most important aspect of a rear shock, and the progressive is not reliable...go to the races and see for yourself
Hope this helps you
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Re: got my rear shock
Craig Seekins wrote on 06-17-2002 07:51 PM:
Tolerances are a tricky thing, too big and people complain the bolt clunks and moves around, too small and it does not fit some bolts, we would suggest you just drill the bushing out to match the bolt dia.
Craig
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Craig,
Thanks for the speedy reply.
Yeh I thought about drilling it out, but it was quit a bit too small and I don't have a drill press in the shop and was worried about not drilling right down the center and having it at an angle. Probably not really an issue, but didn't want to F it up.
Raced with it this past sunday...only the second day on the shock.
Man, what a difference.....soooo nice and controlled on everything. And yes, you were spot on recomending the extra low-speed adjuster, made a big difference as there were rock fields that were not too steep so you had to pedal through them to keep your speed up.
I was finding that where the rear end used to deflect left and rigth around angled rocks that the back end was tracking totally straight and the rear suspension was trackign the rocks very precisely. NICE!
And there were a few 5'-6' to flat drops along the route that were not a problem at all withthe help of the Avalanche...I'd like to say I know how to drop/huck...but I know better! The Avalanche flat out works! Everywhere!
Thanks man!
Made yet another happy, loyal Avalanche fan!
Now I got to scrape together enough $$ for a front fork....if any were to come back to you used and you wanted to sell it.....well you know where to find me!
Muchos gracias hombre,
Myke Berna.
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Jun-12-02, 08:06 AM
"AVA"
5th Element does not fit on the Super 8.
The reservoir will hit the black shock shuttle and the machining on the underside of the swingarm.
There was talk about machining the shuttle to fit the reservoir, but as a Super 8 owner for over 2 years I think that is not a good idea at all.
That shuttle has enough issues to deal with already, like the bolt vibrating loose and killing the bushings and other issues I am not going to get into.
The Avalanche fits the Super 8 very well.
It makes the Super 8 ride about 900 times better then the Fox RC. That is not an exaggeration.
I have used the Ava for almost 2 years and the Fox for 8 months.
The Fox is very flimsy in comparison once you compare it to the Ava.
The Flimsy RC shock makes the rear of the 8 strong but not nearly as solid as when the Ava is installed.
When the Ava is installed the super 8 swingarm/rear is stiffer and more solid, more stable, a beefier unit.
With the AVA it pedals better, does not bob, does not bottom, does not leak or blow up, the word perfect comes to mind really. It stabilizes the bike at high speed and makes the bike very predictable.
Pedals well at slower speeds.
Also eliminates any rear end bucking. That's Safe.
BTW get the compression adjuster, it makes the Avalance perform even better.
(I started without the compression, when I added it the shock worked wayy better).
trust me you are making an excellent investment in your riding.
Noone complains that the AVA is only a mediocre performer. The product is superb.
works great on the 8 also.
I hear it is a 20 working days wait for a new Ava.
well worth it imho.
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Avalanche customer service sets the bar for all other companies to achieve. Craig Seekins not only displays technical knowledge, but patience and understanding. With one goal in mind, to get the best ride possible out of a bike this is achieved. I have never felt a bike feel as good as mine does with the DHS installed, to include Foes with the Curnutt. Avalanche has put it all together, performance and support alike. Bottom line look no further for your suspension needs.
Adrian Grange" <grange747@earthlink.net>
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Eliminator w/ Avalanche review
Well, I've been riding my Eliminator with an Avalanche shock for about a month now and all I can say is WOW!
I ordered a 2.75" stroke DHS to replace my 2.5" stroke stock Fox shock. I was able to play with the adjustments and I've now lowered the BB to 14" and get slightly more travel than before (9"+). Not only does it suck up big hits 100% better than before, but the bike can now be sprinted with alot of body english and still not bob!
The first rides out I was aiming for sharp edged hits, no matter what I hit or how fast I hit objects, the suspension would treat just about anything the same way. Nice supple feel that in a parking lot, feels slightly over damped. The way this shock ramps up, it is unlike anything else I've ever ridden. Smooth and progressive throughout the whole stroke, and no fade whatsoever.
Those of you looking for a reliable shock that you never have to worry about or mess with, or those looking for that edge while racing, I couldn't recommend this shock more. It is a completely custom shock, it may not feel correct if it is not custom built for "you". This is the key, you must let Craig or Avalanche know exactly what you plan on doing with it so they can valve it accordingly.
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Jm Apr-14-02, 03:00 PM
"there is no comparision"
ive taken a spin on an avalanche for a bit(other users that have them on their bikes will be able to describe it a lot better, but I can describe my Fox R/C pretty well). The avalanche is very consistant, plush at slow speed and plush at high speed, the feel is just much plusher, when the shock actually changes direction and starts to "rebound" it is very smooth, unlike my fox.
I seem to be able to set up my fox either two ways, either I can set it up so it is very responsive, and underdamped, or I can set it up "overdamped" and it seems to pack up. The line between these two settings is very small and it seems to be smaller than one turn. Either I have it fast enough to react to everything, and it seems to buck me more, or I put just another turn on it, or half a turn, and it feels like it starts to pack up when I hit successive bumps very fast. Set up "fast" I feel pretty fast on the fox, but it jars me more and like I said, it "bucks" me, I think I like this better than the "overdamped" packing up feeling.
If you never rode an avalanche you might think there is no reason to upgrade your fox, but trust me, there is, and the feel will be so much better.
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zedro Apr-14-02, 03:04 PM
"MTBR Infraction: overuse of the word 'plush'..."
that'll be 3 mins in the box...
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Dougal 27-02, 02:53 PM "avalanche vs the rest"
I understand that the avanlanche has got a two stage compression stack in it. Depending on what you had before it may feel harsh but you'll get a whole lot more damping on faster/bigger hits and less bottomout.
It's entirely possible that your mates spring/shock combo is too harsh for him, the avalanche boys should be pretty keen to sort it out, happiness can only be a revalve or a spring change away.
On the Avalanche vs Progressive debate. I'm with the guy below, you can't beat shim stacks. Avalanche haven't done anything new, they've just done it all right first time and made it reliable.
Romic are another option but I haven't used one of them either.
The progressive/curnutt/5th element shocks seem to be all hype at this stage, I feel that 5 adjustments are too much for the average rider/mechanic, damping force thresholds are a throwback to the mag21, they can't be completely sealed and I'm concerned about cavitation, stress from the bottomout control and fatigue on the titanium springs through high strain rates (not many coils).
Dougal.8m.com
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Big Dawg feb-27-02, 11:40 AM "avalanche..."
The 5th element technology was tried 4-5 years ago for mx and while the benefits on paper were great, real world testing proved otherwise. You just can't duplicate the feel of true shim stack progressive dampening. All the adjustments are nice but then you get engrossed with setup. Too much of a good thing is not always the better way to do things. Why wouldn't this be everywhere in the mx market? As far as avalanche is concerend, all I've heard is good things and now that I own one I can verify that they are THAT good. Take the time to set it up properly and you will see (or feel) the benefits. Trust me. A parking lot ride will not instill proper feedback and even a light trail ride may not. You need to go out and push the limit a bit and you will notice right away the advantages. Bottomless progressive travel, good tuning range, absolute control of both compression and rebound and fantastic duability along with the customer service people dream of (if it's harsh look at getting a re-valve). My shock is soooo plush I was concerened about it bottoming but I can say it takes hits better than anything out there. Get it setup correctly and believe me you will not find a better mtb product anywhere
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Wednesday, February 20, 2002
Well The Avalanche DHS has been installed for about a week now. I cannot really do a good review as the riding this week has been limited to urban and some really crappy trails with alot of uphill. At this point in time I will simply say that even with the limited time on the shock so far, this is the best money I have ever spent on a bike. Craig from Avalanche set me up running a 700lb spring. I had to run an 850lb spring on the Fox RC and still would bottom it out on anything over 4-5ft. The Avalanche feels much softer, but as it gets deeper in the stroke, the shock slows down. I havent been able to bottom this thing out yet and it feels just as good over small bumps as it does sucking up big hits/drops. It was setup perfectly out of the box to my weight and riding style, a few small adjustments on the external compression adjuster, and a few turns of preload and I was rolling. The reliabilty factor and minimal to zero documented failures alone makes this shock worth the money. Why buy 2-3 fox units a year when you can just install one Avalanche? More info to come as the riding permits.
Originally posted by GspotRider
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Hey Brian,
How does the avalanche feel/perform compared to your other shocks. My avalanche has alot of compression damping dialled in and I have not had a chance to try it yet. (too much snow). Just curious....I know I will have the chance to find out first hand soon, but I would like to know how you felt about yours. Did Craig set yours for DH or stunt?
I had it set up for DH since I don't really jump or do drops. Its kinda funny, sitting on the bike I like the way my Fox RC felt over the Avalanche, probably the same thing your experiencing. I tried playing around with the adjusters, but found the factory settings feel the best for me. But once I started riding it around, its a whole different story, it just feels awesome!!!!!I had to change to a stiffer spring and add more fluid in my S8's to make my bike feel more balanced. You won't be disapointed.
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Bulldog Jan-20-02, 04:09 PM
I'll just guess that you don't pay retail....but if you did... The Avalanche is only $100 more ($200 w/ compression adjuster) than the retail of a Fox, and like $80 (or $180) more than the Romic. I think the Progressive is real close in price to the Romic as well. I think Curnutt is still exclusive to Foes. IFF everyone offers EP or even wholesale prices then I can understand why you won't pay for the Avalanche, cuz they don't. Other than the possibility of getting a discount I can't think of any reason to not buy the proven product - Avalanche. Sorry if this is a big waste of your time Z.
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Zonic Man
Originally posted by Ozzer
let me guess....everybody will say, Avalanche dude!!!! Period! Then a little bit of Stratos all the way!!! The F*ck RS....
I never had problem with my Fox shocks for the last 4 yrs of using them..but then again, they're not as hyped.. just my two cents...
Ozzer
Let's see...I have owned:
Fox Vanilla RC
Stratos helix dh/helix expert
Risse Jupiter 5
Avalanche DFS
What's the best? Avalanche, bar none. EASILY the best shock, hands down. No question about it. Everything I have ever wanted in a rear shock, unquestionably. The way it changed my bike is mindblowing. I will never go back.
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The Avalanche rear shock is the single biggest upgrade I have ever put on a bike (trust me I have done a lot of upgrading over the years). Everyone we installed is still going strong even Radek's. The Avalanche is super durable and the performance is out of this world. After a full season on the shocks, I wouldn't change a word of my article. In fact, I still can't believe the shocks have performed so trouble free for all of us. Super 8's are notoriously hard on shocks, and even the biggest huckers in the bunch are riding them without any troubles. I would recommend you get the compression adjuster. I have ridden a Super 8 equipped with one and it was very nice. If you're a hucker it may come in handy, and I seem to remember Craig saying the compression adjustment would allow you to run higher pressures, and would make the shock even more durable for bigger guys and/or huckers. Take my word for it, you won't be disappointed with the Avalanche product!
mental
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urbanman Dec 01-01, 05:24 PM "re: Avalanche questions"
Two of my friends have that shock without the compression upgrade on their BMW TMX. They have a longer stroke and eye to eye than you need, but the shocks look great and feel even better. It has a huge bottom out bumper that actually does something and an over built body, spring, and shaft. You need this with the high leverage ratio the Disco puts on a shock. I can't say for the compression upgrade, no time on one of those, but I think it would be worth it since your already spending the money. Better get it now than pay almost double later to get it installed. Both of them a going to get a Avalanche MTN-8 forks to put on there too. They currently have Risse champs with the big daddy upgrade, 8 and 9 inches of travel. If you or anyone you know wants one of these forks, they will have them up for sale soon.
By the way, I have a 2002 Disco coming soon.
E-mail me if you have any more questions if I don't respond here.
snowboardere@yahoo.com
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DHdope Nov-14-01, 05:38 AM
"Paging all super8 w/ Avalanche shock owners"
Hey guys, I have a couple of questions about your set ups from a racing perspective. Actually one general question and one specific pedaling question .
General question, are they really that good. Does it really transform the bike like every one says it does? If so, In what respect
Specific question, does it cure pedal feedback when pedaling thru the rough stuff. I typically love my super 8 except for one thing, I hate when I have to pedal/hammer thru a flat section of the race course that is pretty rough like a rock garden you get such pedal feedback ( especially since I run flats) that is is tough to keep the feet on the pedals. Does the avalanche help this with its valving? Outside of that kickback/feedback, I think the super 8 is the perfect bike.
Ya see I was thinking of getting a linkage bike next year for racing to help cure the above. But a new shock (Avalanche) if it works is far less expensive than a Turner or an M1.
Thx
Thanks in advance for the feedback.
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Tcov Nov-14-01, 06:09 AM
"My Super 8 with Avalanche is awesome..."
First let me say that I'm quite new at DH racing. OK, my Fox on my Super 8 was a nightmare (would blow all of the time). I made the switch to Avalanche for durability reasons and to cure a problem I was having with rear end "kick". Large Super 8 with an 800lb spring and screwed up damping in the Fox would have the rear end "kicking" up way too much.
The Avalanche DID completely transform my bike. All of my issues were solved and the bike seem to almost have "bottomless" travel at the rear. I highly recommend the shock (absolutely NO maintenance/blowing issues). That said, I'm not real sure about solving your pedal feedback issue. I know that they custom valve every shock so you should speak to the Avalanche guys. I would say that mine pedals just fine but yes I do have some pedal feedback.
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B-B-BigRichDL Nov-14-01, 07:37 AM
"how big a ring do you run in the front?"
going to a 44tooth or bigger will help alot with this problem. A guy on my team(SDH) had the same issues and SC told him to try it and it worked. One of the suspension gurus can probably explain why.
I have an Avalanche on my Tomac and yes it transforms the bike. I can go alot faster and stay under control more. I was very, very impressed. Its soooo much smoother.
Peace,
Rich
Team XXL
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B-B-BigRichDL Nov-09-01, 06:20 AM "for an extra 100 bucks you get a WAY better shock"
go to their website and read the whole page of why the shock is better than a Fox. Trust me. I tested one on my Tomac and I instantly grew twice as much hair on the "furry beanbag", if you cath my drift. The shock keep your wheels on the ground and keeps you from getting that "jarring" that takes you off line. Ive actually gone out of control a few times because I wasnt used to going that fast. The rebound is ungodly smooth.
YOu can feel the difference in like 2 seconds on the bike. Save weight somewhere else.
Peace,
Rich
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Cant Climb Nov-09-01, 04:57 AM "Dear dick," Benefits of Avalanche shocks.
- Tracking.
- Big Impact
- Reliability
- Custom Tuning
- Stiffness
- Better tracking
- Better customer service
best investment i ever made........
CC.
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LeeUK Nov-09-01, 03:53 AM "Agreed"
I agree here, we're running Avalanche on one of the team's Intense M1 bikes they are serious kit for serious riders. We got sick of Fox Shocks blowing left right and centre - we've had absolutely no problems at all with the Avalanche shock and are hoping to fit Avalanche to all of the team's bikes next season. They really are that good, they will increase your bike's handling characteristics for the better a 100 fold. If you have the cash then I would say go for it and buy one, you will not look back.
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spyguy Oct-28-01, 10:13 PM
"wut about avalanche"
I was wondering with all this talk of new awsome shocks from rommic and progressive where does avalanche fit into the puzzle. I was just about to order one of their shocks for my bike untill i heard about all this new stuff to come. will these new shocks make even the avalanche take a back seat? just interested in your thoughts on this topic... thanks ....
SG
p.s. swiss i got a message comin ur way...soon... later
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Dougal Oct-29-01, 12:15 AM
The Romic and Avalanche use conventional damper technology just refined and reengineered. When tuned to fit you and your bike they'll outperform everything else.
The Progressive and Curnutt dampers are a new idea with a lot of little niggles to sort out. I don't think the overall performance is going to compare with the Romic and Avalanche offerings. But we'll have to wait until the hype wears off.
Remember the old Mag21's? With the damping force threshold to prevent unwanted suspension activation (aka stiction). The Curnutt dampers use the same theory, along with insane amounts of internal pressure and a not completely sealed unit (air must enter).
LOU Oct-29-01, 05:50 AM
Avalanche is the best shock i have ever ridden. It makes my TMX so much better. It never bottoms out. never ramps through its travel, the last few inches of travel is like no other i've ever ridden. The only way i can explain it is when you take a big drop the shock holds you a second and smoothly return. its amazing. just because those shocks made magazines dose not mean they're better.
olc666 Oct-29-01, 08:26 AM
The progressive shock uses a floating piston, like the fox shock - which results in inconsistent damping. They haven't even made a prototype yet - so no one really knows how they'll work.
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Pinkbike,
Just want to thank you guys for influencing me to buy an Avalanche
rear shock for my RM 7! I read your article a few months ago and it made
me start thinking about things. This shock is amazing!!!! The difference
is like changing over from an air shock to a coil shock (the 'air shock'
being a Fox Vanilla RC-coil!). I'll be recommending this shock to
everyone!
Kevin
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all I know is this...IF you do plan on paying $$ to improve your bike. go with the Avalanche HANDS DOWN. I have one on my already sick turner, and it easily made it even better, with the added insurance that you know it will basically never fail. Just call/talk to Craig and get 'works' like suspension no matter who you are...A company you can put all your faith into
-StrungOut
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HAHAHAH
5th Element over Avalanche. AHHAHAHAH that's funny. Dude the Avalanches are SOO nice it's not even funny. Being that good combined with all their years of experience, the fit and finish, plus the great guys that work there = AVALANCHE all the way.
-alex
evilbikes.com
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Randolph
Oct-13-01, 11:02 AM
"What Craig can't tell you -"
Fox quality has dropped off the face of the Earth into a deep, dark, bottomless well, and you will never get the full potential out of your bike with a generic Fox shock.
Now, before the flames start flying, I've got more than 100 threads off this and other boards decrying the quality of the Fox over the past year. Prior to that period, 2 and 3 years ago, I only have about 35. I've saved each one. (Several hundred for Rock Shox, but I won't go there...)
Fox simply had to move production of their bike shock off-shore as they took up more and more of the very-low-profitabilty-market (VLPM)called OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer)
Avalanche makes, in my not at all humble opinion (IMNAAHO) the best performing coil shock ACTUALLY AVAILABLE on today's market. I'm not going to say a damn thing about 5th Element, Curnutt, etc, since you CAN'T BUY ONE for love or money!
No, I don't shill for Avalanche - in fact, in a previous life, they were my competition in business, so it is as a result of hearing feedback from previously sponsored racers of mine who have Avalanche shocks on their new rigs, that I am basing this IMNAAHO.
So, get the Fox repaired and sell it ASAP and buy the Avalanche, and it will transform your bike into something better than it was before.
Flame away.
Nobody
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Submitted by Preston Peterson from Kirkland WA on July 30th, 2001 Duration Product Used:
Less than 1 month Price Paid:
$450 Purchased At: direct Pros: Quality
Strength
Damping Cons: Slightly higher cost
Mounting external reservoir Review: I put a 9"/3" stroke shock on my Big Hit (drilled the frame mounting point and accepted a 1 deg increase in head angle to make it fit). Since this was a custom application I provided a graph of my shock stroke vs wheel travel to Avalanche. Just this requirement alone impressed me. Avalanache has a list on their website about what advantages their shocks have over Fox.
It looks like a much higher quality shock - the shaft is bigger, pieces are machined very nicely, the external resorvoir looks super trick, the eyelets are roller bearings instead of plain old bushings, the bump stop is progressive polyurethane instead of just a hard plastic bumper.
Since I moved from a 2.25" stroke Fox RC with a 600 lb spring to the 3" avalanche with a 450 lb spring, I was obviously gonna get a much different feel. My travel also went from 6.25" to 8.3". So of course my first thought was "SUPER PLUSH".
Despite the lbs/inch rating, the 450 spring is much bigger than the 600 lb Fox spring, and it did not feel like a 150 lb drop in spring rate.
The bike feels awesome, much better than before. The most objective thing I noticed was I had more braking power later into bumps because the rear wheel spent more time on the ground. We have a 7' to flat huck that we do that would still bottom hard with the 6.25" Fox. It still bottoms on the big shock, but way softer and more "progressive". The Fox felt like it just kind of blew off hard, this feels like it soaks it up all the way to the end of the travel. Something else i noticed was performing trials style rear wheel hopping. They are very difficult to do with the Avalanche vs. the Fox because there is no rebound spring effect, it feels like you are trying to hop on a waterbed. This is a good thing for downhilling, as it means everything is getting soaked up.
Other than those two effects, all my other feelings are subjective and probably subject to the increased travel as much as anything, but it feels awesome in every respect. I also received it in 3 days despite the fact that it was a "custom" order. I highly recommend these shocks.
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From: Radek Burkat <rburkat@pinkbike.com>
To: Darren Leary <universe777@home.com>
Date: Thursday, October 04, 2001 1:00 PM
Subject: RE: Avalanche DHS
Yo Darren, the Avalanche is the best single purchase I have ever made. It feels so much better than the fox and yeah it lasts. Myself, Dancing Eddy, and Jeff all have them on our Super 8's and basically there is nothing wrong we can say about them. I hate when I ask people about a product and all I get as a response is "It's just the plushest thing in the world, dude!", and right now it looks like I'm saying just that to you, but in this case it really is true. You really notice the difference right away in the way it feels and also it's lasting. When I got my S8, I blew the fox in the first day, no exaggeration. That same day I called up Avalanche and ordered it.
Yeah it's a bit of coin but really its a $100 difference between the fox and the avalanche. Not bad when you consider the nicer ride and peace of mind.
Here is some more info if you have not read about it yet. On the shocks that we have you can adjust the preload and rebound. I believe the version that they sell now, also has compression adjustment.
If ya pick one up tell them that ya got stocked on the shock from Pinkbike. Plus those guys tune the internals to your riding weight and style. It's totally custom. Oh yea and the crazy part is, when I gave them my specs they sent me a shock with a spring that was 200 pounds less than the one I had on the fox. I thought that they were on drugs, cause i'd be bottoming it all the time. After riding it, I totally now see that the shock does a lot of work and the ride with that kind of spring is soooo much better. And really I set the thing once and have not touched any of the adjustments since. They really know their shit over there.
Let me know how it works out, and if ya have any questions drop me a line.
http://www.pinkbike.com/stories/avalanchereview.htm
-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Leary [mailto:universe777@home.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2001 12:36 PM
To: rburkat@pinkbike.com
Subject: Avalanche DHS
Hi Radek, sorry to contact you personally, but I just had my rear Fox blow on my S8. Does the Avalanche DHS have any sort of adjustments, or does it even need them? It looks like that’s where I’m going to go for a new shock, as well as a few others disappointed in the Fox. Any probs so far with yours? Your riding a super 8 now as well correct? Thanks a lot.
-Darren Leary
-Victoria BC
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Posted by Internal14 on August 27, 2001 at 10:52:18:
In Reply to: Fox shock`s Warranty or the lack of? posted by shocktower on August 26, 2001 at 21:52:23:
....First thing is unbolt it and take it off the bike.
Next, round file that sucka and install the best shock around, an Avalanche!
ha ha
Sorry to hear about yet another Blown Fox Anti-Shock.
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Posted by Internal14 on August 27, 2001 at 10:52:18:
In Reply to: Fox shock`s Warranty or the lack of? posted by shocktower on August 26, 2001 at 21:52:23:
....First thing is unbolt it and take it off the bike.
Next, round file that sucka and install the best shock around, an Avalanche!
ha ha
Sorry to hear about yet another Blown Fox Anti-Shock.
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Posted by Ian Collins on August 25, 2001 at 08:13:54:
In Reply to: Larger pic > posted by race on August 25, 2001 at 01:04:31:
that guy is just plain sick...showed up at his first downhill race ever wearing toe clips, and pulled a 4:19 this year in expert master at mt. snow....basically, he's the expert master national champion after his FIRST race on a DH bike....that guy has balls and skills i could never dream of possessing....very impressive....
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Posted by race on August 25, 2001 at 11:13:34:
In Reply to: That's Doug Henry....the motocross guy.... posted by Ian Collins on August 25, 2001 at 08:13:54:
Ian - Don't know if you aware of Doug's background but he rose up as a true sleep-in-my-van privateer, then took two back to back 125 MX titles for Honda. Was in the hunt for a 250 title when he had a disastrous crash at Budds Creek track. Unable to let off of the throttle because of fatigue and awkward body position he launched off of a huge peaked drop away section WFO. He fell out of the sky 40 to 50'! Really gruesome to look at the tape. McGrath was right behind when it happened and said he's NEVER seen anyone that high in the air. Henry shattered several vertebrae and looked like his riding days were over. Doctors told him he would be fortunate to walk again. In a pioneering medical technique doctors designed a titanium cage to hold together the reconstructed vertebrae. Two years and endless rehab later, while riding at the same track on the new Yamaha 400 thumper, the bike cut out on him in the air and he broke BOTH arms badly!
The next year Henry took the 250 MX title!! Henry not only has incredible technical skills but the heart and drive of any 10 riders! The guy is HERO!
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Posted by John P. on August 21, 2001 at 08:26:44:
In Reply to: I saw a pro riding an Avalanche fork at.. posted by Acadian on August 21, 2001 at 07:59:09:
The new Avalanche forks will weigh about 8.5 pounds, so yes, they're definitely race-able. Craig and Eric from Avalanche showed me the new internals of the new fork, and they're amazing.
As for the current fork, yeah, it's a bit much for some people, but Avalanche-equipped riders cleaned up last weekend at Snow. They had a win in the expert 30-34 class, 6th in Semi pro, and numerous other top placings. On that particular course, trust me, weight was no issue!
--JP
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Posted by $eth on July 29, 2001 at 16:55:32:
In Reply to: avalancheavalancheavalancheavalanche posted by Internal14 on July 29, 2001 at 16:47:28:
my already awesome performing Turner somehow feels loads better....sick shocks for sure
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Posted by Internal14 on July 29, 2001 at 16:47:28:
In Reply to: rear shock opinions....... posted by D on July 29, 2001 at 16:31:22:
By far the best of the bunch is the Avalanche. Ever heard anyone blowing one of these? Nope. Never.
Just got one a month ago for my Disco Volante. Totally changed the bike. I was thinking of selling it before hand with the Risse and Fox shock. But after I got the Avalanche there aint no way in hel! I am selling it. It is a beautiful thing. The back end sucks up everything you shoot at it. The faster you go the better it feels. Superbe!
Get one. You'll like it! Craig(Mr.Avalanche) Seekins is awesome. Will valve it and set it up for the bike and your weight and what type of riding you want the shock to perform the best in.
Money VERY well spent. Get the upgrade now with the new frame purchase.
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Posted by my name is Nobody... on July 29, 2001 at 17:35:36:
In Reply to: rear shock opinions....... posted by D on July 29, 2001 at 16:31:22:
Simply put, the best rear shock available. Works better, lasts longer (0% failure rate).
It's not a question of overkill - if you think you are going to race TO WIN, not just to have fun, the feel and reliability of the Avalanche is worth every penny.
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Product Test: Avalanche DHS Shocks
Mon July 30
Source: mental
I'd venture a guess that almost everyone who rides a full suspension bike hard has blown a rear shock. I certainly have, more times than I would care to remember. The performance of the Fox Vanilla RC is great, but for most of the Pinkbike crew, that shock's life is measured in days, not years! Earlier this year a friend of mine in Boston mentioned a company that was building suspension components using motocross technology.
Avalanche Downhill Racing is an offshoot of C-Cycle Suspension , a company steeped in motocross experience that specializes in custom suspension tuning and setup of motocross bikes, and WTE Racing. Craig Seekins and his partner Eric Wold, felt they could build a better mousetrap using their extensive experience as mechanical engineers and machinists, and set about building shocks (both front and rear) for the mountainbike market. When I first learned about Avalanche products, their products consisted of ultra-high-end shocks like the MTN-3 and 3.5 that retail for $800 US! Monster 3.0 and 3.5 inch travel shocks that fit precious few bikes and were intended for small custom builders such as Cortina and Brooklyn Machine Works. Their product line also included an 8" travel upside down DH fork that retails for a staggering $3500 US! Nothing there that really fit my bike, or budget!
Fast forward to June. While surfing the Avalanche site, I noticed the introduction of the more affordable DHS line of shocks available in a number of strokes and eye-to-eye lengths. I even noticed a Foes DHS with the setup. I had to make the call. Now I'm no engineer, so I won't even pretend to understand everything Craig explained to me about the why's and how's of his shocks and the theories behind suspension tuning. Luckily, Avalanche has a short animation that shows just what is happening inside your shock available here. Craig was very patient to answer all of my questions and quickly suggested he should send over a DHS 2.75 (for my FOES) and 2 DHS 2.25's (Szgatti and Savoie's Super 8's) I now see that Craig is not only a brilliant suspension tuner, but a brilliant businessman as well. He knew once we had the Avalanche shocks on our bikes, we would pay whatever he was asking to keep them!
What is it exactly that makes the Avalanche better thanother shocks on the market? For starters the shock body and piston are huge at 30mm compared to Fox's 23.5mm. This provides 63% more area for better damping, and both piston and body are Type III hard coated with Teflon for reduced friction and increased wear resistance. A larger remote reservoir that contains twice the oil volume to reduce shock fade and oil wear also reduces nitrogen pressure at full stroke (reduced chance of seal failure). 12.5 mm shaft vs. 9.5mm found on the Vanilla RC is said to be 3 times stronger and displaces 72% more oil for improved damping. Shaft and dust seals are motocross type, pressure and spring loaded compared to lip type seals and O-rings. A huge polyurethane bumper and cup prevent harsh bottoming compared to rubber bumpers. You'll also find a top out bumper and oil lock that help reduce rebound top out. Shock valving to create damping. This reduces the chance of hydraulic lock during high shaft speeds. Showing their design expertise isn't limited to just the inside of the shock, Avalanche has beefed up the attachment points and the DHS features stainless steel bushings with integral dust seals compared to the competitions aluminum bushings with no seals. And finally, the shock can be serviced by any MX suspension shop with Showa shaft seals. It all sounds great on paper, but does it really make a difference in the ride?
mikey likes it, he really, really likes it...
Installation on the Foes DHS was easy to say the least. Avalanche was apologetic about their lack of instructions and the only hard copy Craig could provide me with was a phototgraph. It didn't bother me since I never reads the articles and like my pictures big and glossy! It was a simple matter of removing the bolts and sliding the new shock into place. The remote reservoir tucks up nicely under the seat mast and is held in place with a simple zip tie. Avalanche's attention to detail is unbelievable. It is hard to explain, but the braided flex hose doesn't twist well and has to be almost perfect to fit the bike without rubbing. Each fitting has to be turned to just the right angle for proper installation (on the Foes) Avalanche had it right at first go!
Now, I weigh around 180lbs and consider myself a Sport-Expert class rider and Craig was adamant I tell him the truth about my weight and ability as there is nothing to gain by lying to your suspension tuner. "You'll only regret it in the end." Normally I run a 550lb spring on my Fox with a couple turns of preload, but Avalanche sent out my DHS with a 450lb spring and the promise I wouldn't need a heavier rate. They will re-tune the shock and trade springs free for 60 days if you're not happy, though Craig says he's never had one come back! In the parking lot the shock seemed a little slow at first, and the shock's adjustment didn't go from full fast to lockout (on to off) like the Fox did. Compared to the Fox, each click of the rebound dial (16 in all) was more sensitive and it is ultra easy to find the sweet spot without having to compromise between too fast and too slow. When I had the chance to rip some DH runs, I found the parking lot sensation way off the mark. Once I had the rebound dialed, the rear end hugged the ground like never before. I was a little concerned about the lack of external compression adjustment (available in mid-late September), but the suspension gurus certainly know more about setup than I. The compression is totally dialed. I run the lighter spring with no fear of harsh bottoming... ever. On big g-outs, harsh drops, botched jumps, rock gardens, stutters, roots, whatever, it can be run ultra-plush, with absolutely no fear of harshness
Oh yeah, for you huckers in the bunch the shock's slow speed rebound adjustment is more than enough to slow the rear down when you're going big and don't want to get launched on landing. This shock is amazing, every manufacturer should offer them as an option. Avalanche isn't getting this one back, they'll have to pry it from my cold dead bike!
Jeff's got himself a girl, and he ain't gonna let her go...
Par Excellence! Riding your bike with an Avalanche shock is probably the most fun you can have with your clothes on. The DHS 2.25 transformed my bike into a weapon that pushes the limits of high speed handling on two wheels.
First a bit about my bike setup. I have the Avalanche mounted to a small 2000 Santa Cruz Super 8 with a 2001 SS8 up front rolling on a 24” - 26” combo covered with 3” of Gazzaloddi meat. Mounting the shock was a breeze, however, finding a place to mount the remote reservoir on my small frame is still a challenge. Craig at Avalanche suggested bolting the upper end of the shock into the top hole of the frame to provide room for strapping it to the downtube. This worked fine, but I prefer the more progressive lower hole setup which eliminates any chance of keeping everything inside my small frame. I currently have the reservoir strapped to the gusset plate on the top tube in front of the seat post. The inaugural run was the DH course at Canada Olympic Park. My first impression… “what the ???” The bike wanted to stay stuck to the ground. I found myself generally positioned a little further forward than before and this only complimented the fork. Railing the berms, droppin’ in, and flat out pedaling was a whole new experience. If you’re a speed junkie, this is the shock for you for you! More speed = more control, what more could you want? So cheers to the crew at Avalanche for creating this engineering work of art. May you live to be a thousand years old!
Dan says it's got the size and knows how to use it too...
Once I set my eyes on the Avalanche DHS 2.25, I couldn't help but say "OH MY GOD, look at how big it is!" using my best imitation of Chasey Lane. Not only does this suspension machine look magnificent but it rides like a dream. After one ride and I got it dialed-in, the travel in my Super 8 went from adequate to ENDLESS. I weigh 200lbs and I ride a large Super 8 on some super gnarly terrain at high speeds. I set up the DHS 2.25 with an 800lb spring and my bike rear end never leaves the ground. I recommend installing the shock in the "most progressive" (bottom) mounting hole on the S8. With this size of frame the installation is simple with no surprises. From high speed braking ruts to 8 foot drops, my super 8 soaks it all up smoothly. The compression valving on the Avalanche is unbelievable.
For rebound damping the adjustability is impressive. The rebound damping control is subtle enough to allow true "fine tuning" of the shock for great performance under a variety of conditions, unlike the FOX shock which is on/off. When I had the FOX Vanilla RC on my bike (for only 6 weeks before the rebound damping BLEW UP!), I felt as though my Monster T was far superior to the rear suspension. I hate to say it (cause I luv my MONSTA T), but with the Avalanche shock, the Super 8 rear end out-performs even the beefiest fork on the market. Maybe it is time for the Avalanche MTN-8 inverted front fork????
So there you have it, 3 thumbs up!
If that's not enough, Radek's Avalanche arrived as I was writing this, and Blair already has one on his RM7. They both seem pretty pleased! The DHS is currently available for the Turner DHR, Specialized FSR DH, Rocky Mountain RM7/9, Foes DHS, Santa Cruz Super 8 and Bullit, Karpiel Disco Volante and Armageddon, Cortina Europa and DH8,GT DHi and the Intense M1. If your bike wasn't listed, it just means they haven't done it yet. Call Craig or Eric and give them your shock's particulars, they would be more than happy to set it up (provided it'll fit) on your bike. Print off the order form found here and fax it in. You can reach Avalanche toll free at 1-800-867-6721 or via email at info@avalanchedownhillracing.com.
Retail for the DHS shock is $450US including spring and mounting kit. That price isn't at all steep when you compare it to a new Fox Vanilla RC at $350US. Let's face it, shocks are expensive. You might as well spend your hard earned dollars on the best.
Avalanche Downhill Racing
12 Davidson Road Colchester, CT
06415
1-860-537-4306
Fax 860-537-8260
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Posted by Internal14 on July 22, 2001 at 15:13:47:
In Reply to: Sorry to hear brotha! posted by Acadian on July 22, 2001 at 14:54:04:
Yeah, you were holding it all together there pretty well. Didn't even know you were hurting!
That was pretty sur-real wed. night. Bumping into you and having dinner and then you up and splitting a few hours later. I was bummen all the way through thursday practice, knowing you weren't around.
I really think you would have been top three there bro. Was a good course for those who could get into the flow, and go. That's you from what I've seen.
The Avallanche is AWESOME. It has made me want to keep my Krapiel, it's that good!
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Posted by Tcov on July 20, 2001 at 06:07:58:
In Reply to: About to buy a super8 , last minute questions! posted by Sam on July 20, 2001 at 05:15:26:
I have a Super 8 and was running the 800lb spring with the Fox Vanilla...It does not work! 800lb is a strong as you can get and the Fox cannot handle it (it will "blow" constantly). You can turn the compression on full and it will still just rip right through the travel, bottom hard, and SPRING back hard (had mine rebuilt twice and then got an Avalanche). The Avalanche solved these problems nicely. Call Craig at Avalanche and order one!
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Posted by super8 on July 20, 2001 at 07:34:59:
In Reply to: Go with the Avalanche rear...more posted by Tcov on July 20, 2001 at 06:07:58:
I've had mine for a couple months now and love it, makes the Super8 so much better...well woorth the $$$
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Posted by mental on July 19, 2001 at 19:40:57:
In Reply to: Paging CRAIG at AVALANCHE (Super 8 HELP) posted by THEsuper(Stupid)8 on July 19, 2001 at 18:46:42:
The bike rides much better with the Avalanche. 2 Friends on Super 8's had the shocks for testing (the ones on Pinkbike) and didn't give them back. I too got one for testing (Foes DHS) and have decided the Avalanche is well worth the price. It's not just the "plushness", it is the way the compression is dialed. The shock can be run softer because the compression ramps up on bigger hits and is NEVER harsh. The shock reservoir mounts easily onto medium or large frames between the top and down tubes justabove the forward shock mount. If you're in the Calgary area, give Pinkbike a call and we'd be happy to let you ride one of ours. I also suggest you call Craig at Avalanche as he knows his stuff and is more than happy to explain the system to you. We're just putting the finishing touches on the Pinkbike DHS review and it should be posted by Monday. Chack the story out, the shocks are awesome!
Get Committed
mental
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Craig, Your shock is transforming the way I ride.
I fear my competition will get their hands on this shock also...
No offense to you, I tell noone but my closest friends how well this Avalanche shock works.
25% increase in performance is my evaluation.
Best regards,
MikeGoldberg
FinishLineUSA
FINISH LINE TECHNOLOGIES, INC.
1545 Fifth Industrial Ct.
Bay Shore, NY 11706 USA
Tel: 631-666-7300 x214
Fax: 631-666-7391
Website: http://www.FinishLineUSA.com
More Speed Guaranteed...
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Posted by Tcov on July 16, 2001 at 07:10:30:
First let me set this up...I'm a DH hack, my skills seem to be limited to "blowing" Fox shocks and going slow downhill. That said, the new shock seems to have solved my problems. I weigh 180lbs and my stock Fox shock with the 800lb spring would blow through its travel and bottom on VERY small drops (with the compression on full). It would then spring back and try to flip me over. The shock "blew" twice within three weeks (only one DH run). The Avalanche feels almost bottomless, rebound adjustment actually works, and it did not break during its first DH weekend.
Thanks to those of you on techtalk that gave me advice and education. Call Craig at Avalanche if you want a quality shock.
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Subject : Avalanche ?DH SHOCK Rules MAN!
Posted By : Dancing Eddy
Posted On : 06/29/2001 at 09:28
Message:
This thing is unbelievable. I can't wait to try it on Mount 7... that will be the true test. For now, COP has treated it well. I ride Dropping In without slowing down and my bike is glued to the ground. The compression damping on the Avalanche is amazing and the rebound is extremely adjustable. It is truely a PRO DH shock!
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Posted by mental on June 26, 2001 at 15:41:15:
We just received our test group of Avalanche DHS shocks from Craig. 2 have gone on Super 8's and one is on my Foes DHS. I can't wait to get some serious DH'ing on it. Right out of the box they feel way better than the RC's they replaced. I'll post a brief review on Pinkbike when I've got some miles on mine, and we'll have a full review before we send them back (yeah like Avalanche will ever see them again!) I think Avalanche is on to something!
Get Committed
mental
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Posted by mental on July 02, 2001 at 15:55:35:
In Reply to: I am clueless, thats why I'm asking... posted by Tcov on July 02, 2001 at 11:51:17:
Pinkbike just got 3 Avalanche DHS shocks for testing. 2 are on Super 8's and one is on my Foes DHS. They are the best shocks,period. None of us are going to send them back to Craig. We'll pay for them and keep the unreliable, inferior Fox around as a spare (for our buddies as the Avalanche seems super burly and reliable) Call Craig and have one sent to you. Oh yeah, my buddy who rode his 800# Fox spring with a ton of preload is now running little to no preload because of the Avalanches superior compression damping. Avalanche simply rocks!
http://www.pinkbike.com/http://www.pinkbike.com/
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The shock is performing extremely well. I was out in Rocky Mountain House
this weekend where the runs are super steep, fast and rutted. This thing
absolutely blows the FOX shock away. I feel like I have an amazing amount
of control since the rear end stays stuck to the ground. I managed to get
the 800 Lbs spring from a friend out in Whistler and it makes the shock
perfect. Now I can have is plush for the DH runs or stiffer for drops and
jumping. My Super 8 has never felt better. Thanks. I will be racing in
Hinton at an Alberta Cup this weekend. I expect to do quite well. I'll
keep you posted.
We have been getting a lot of looks riding around with these monster shocks
on our bikes. We will also be putting an initial impression review on
Pinkbike soon... hopefully this will help to get more people interested in
your shocks. Also I have been in touch with Scott Turner @ Santa Cruz and I
told him about your Shock, I forwarded your URL. He has asked to keep him
posted on how the Avalanche performs. I will let him know that his bikes
would be a lot better if they came with the Avalanche rather than the mini
FOX Vanilla RC shock.
Thanks again.
Dancing Eddy
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Craig,
Your Shock kicks some serious ass!!!! I can't believe how good this thing
feels on my Super 8. Oh, and it looks pretty damn cool too. I was at a
race this weekend where I places 2nd in the SR Expert Men Category. I have
removed the Santa Cruz Stickers from my bike and I put your big decal one
side and a Pinkbike decal on the other... two organizations that I am proud
to represent. I had at least 15 people ask me about the shock and I had
nothing but good things to say about it. Next weekend we will all be
heading to Fernie BC for a Canada Cup DH race where all the top racers in
canada will be. I think that we will get some good exposure for your
shocks. And hopefully kick some BC ass while we are at it!!!
When I had the fox shock, I used to think that my front suspension (Monster
T) felt better than the Rear. Now, it seems that the Monster T is
inadequate compared to the smooth, bottomless travel of the Avalanche.
Dropping of the A frame in the attached picture was a good 20 foot launch
and the rear end just sat on the ground. Absolutely amazing. Thanks again
for making my bike perfect. I'll forward some more pictures when I can.
Cheers,
Dancing Eddy
www.pinkbike.com
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Posted by old timer on July 10, 2001 at 12:20:16:
In Reply to: Poor Sod bent the fork too! posted by How on July 10, 2001 at 11:48:24:
It is my opinion that it makes riding more fun than if I had an S8 with ATF blowing all over my brake pads all the time. I also think that it is nice to be able to ride over the front of the bike MX style instead of having to ride out back and lose front end traction. Being able to ride the fork without required service for many moths is nice too. Plus Avalanche's customer service dept will tune your shock for you.
It is Fact that the technology will not be outdated anytime soon, as the fork is basically a lightened up WORKS Motocross fork. If you think that McGrath races on a $5000 stock YZ, you are in for a big surprise. His forks are very similar inside to the avalanche forks, and nothing at all like a champ or S8. The guts are what matters. It also is fact that it costs more to produce the fork because of the level of detail that goes into it. The machining tolerances are held close, there are special manufacturing processes used to make sure that it performws to spec, and it is customed tuned to your weight and riding style by one of the best Motocross suspension tuners in the world (Craig Seekins) who is legendary on the MX scene.
Take a ride on one of those forks and then honestly say they arent worth it... Such a difference from other MTB forks.
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Posted by 5 on July 11, 2001 at 09:52:10:
In Reply to: Re: No, but money is... posted by Craig on July 11, 2001 at 06:45:03:
My mtn-8 is amazing. The weight is really not that much an issue, as the performance far exceeds that of a 10 lb monster t. Anybody that rides behind me at plattekill and watches the lines I take sitting down can attest to that. Of course, having the mtn 3 in the rear certainly is part of that equation.
My own opinion is that the gains in performance and significant reductions in maintenance costs and downtime over a monster t (forks I loved and rode for a few years) are worth every penny.
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